SreeNarayanaGuru

[weRone]

SNDP was formed under the principles of no cast and no relegion but now its leaders are mostly promoting only Ezavas into it

[manu]

SNDP was formed under the principles of no cast and no relegion but now its leaders are mostly promoting only Ezavas into it

SNDP Yogam was formed to promote and spread the principles and teachings of SreeNarayanaGuru. It was not formed under any principles, those who are beliving and worshiping sreenarayanaguru , those who can come and be a member of sndp yogam, There is nothing wrong reported in the hsitory of sndp yogam.
I have a question, why except ezhavas nobody is following the principles of SreenarayanaGuru?
very few peoples from other religions or caste or oragainzation ,only heard that they are the followers of SreeNarayanaGuru.
Those who all are ready to worship sreenarayanagur, WELCOME to SNDP Yogam.

thx/Manu

[aji]

SNDP was formed under the principles of no cast and no relegion but now its leaders are mostly promoting only Ezavas into it

what all are the principles said by sreenarayanaguru is not only applicable to SNDP and Ezhava, wht guru said is to the world, every Religion,caste and very organization owned by other caste can also follow. Only ezhavas have one caste one religon and one god ??

Thanks

[weRone]

i agree with what manu is saying..


But i am not agree with what aji said...

what all are the principles said by sreenarayanaguru is not only applicable to SNDP and Ezhava, wht guru said is to the world, every Religion,caste and very organization owned by other caste can also follow. Only ezhavas have one caste one religon and one god ??

i know "SNDP Yogam was formed to promote and spread the principles and teachings of SreeNarayanaGuru". But my question is, why still it is help to promote Ezhavas... Is SNDP following what Guru said? it is seems to be like "One caste" said by guru is Ezhava?. if not SNDP should help to grow all people they should not allow any caste based system in the SNDP.. I am not going to argue anything.. but i am saying this as a true follower of GURU..

[aji]

i know "SNDP Yogam was formed to promote and spread the principles and teachings of SreeNarayanaGuru". But my question is, why still it is help to promote Ezhavas... Is SNDP following what Guru said? it is seems to be like "One caste" said by guru is Ezhava?. if not SNDP should help to grow all people they should not allow any caste based system in the SNDP.. I am not going to argue anything.. but i am saying this as a true follower of GURU..

Exactly, SNDP yogam is promoting ezhavas, why ? because only ezhava are going to SNDP, Also they are only following some wht SreeNarayanaGuru said.Even other caste people also seeing SNDP Yogam as the oraganization of Ezhavas. If One person from any other caste, wanna to be a leader of the SNDP yogam,one day he cant come and sit in that chair. There are lots of other caste people are comming and worshiping guru.Even G Balakrishnan Nair, is a greate worshiper of guru, he is in shivagiri Madom.

[gopu]

Hi All,

First of all thanks for weRone for a wonderful Topic. Your view's are correct.

But It is not reported in the history of SNDP yogam that, there is not body from other caste or religion, who become the president or GS of SNDP yogam.Guru did not envisage the SNDP Yogam being a community organization for Ezhavas alone: for he was entirely catholic in outlook and had never recognized separation based on caste. However, in the event, the SNDP Yogam definitely took on an Ezhava flavor.After the establishment of Yogam it become a new wave of optimism among the Ezhavas.The Yogam became an inspiration for members of other castes to form their own community organizations: the Pulaya Mahasabha, the Nair Service Society and the Yogakshema Sabha of the Namboothiris are examples. As SNDP yogam did many things to other communities so called lower caste, all the temples owned by SNDP yogam are open to all the communites in kerala, i dont see except ezhavas, peopels from other caste are going to those temples, Then Naturally it becomes an ezhava oraganization. After the establishment of SNDP yogam only ezhavas changed from the past condition to the present stage.

I am adding one more point ,Wht Guru said to the world,should be followd not only by SNDP yogam,Other caste, other religion can aslo follow,Its main purpose is to spread the messages said by GURU to the peoples in the world(not only to ezhavas), All the peoples have to take it in the same way, and try to implement One caste,One religion and one God,( this is one of the senetence taken from Atmopadesa Satakam).

Who all are the peoples are following the guru's principles can come to yogam, unfortunatly in kerala only ezhava's are follwing some wht GURU said, then naturally it becomes an oraganization owed by Eahavas.

Thanks
Gopu

[sugathan]

Guru started SNDP Yogam in 1903 as an organisation for material and spiritual progress of EZHAVAS. Later he wanted to amend the aims as ' progress of all backward communities'. Yogam allowed non-Ezhavas to join it but the aims in the byelaws were not changed. Mannath Padmanabhan, Thangal Kunju Musaliar and Mamman Mappilla joined SNDPYogam. Nairs, Namboothiris, Pulayas, Dheevaras Viswakarmas started their organisations - all, after 1903. Since all non-Ezhavas had their own organisations, SNDPY became an organisation of Ezhavas.

Guru said 'Ezhava' is not the name of a caste. It is true. Any caste will have a kulathozhil. Ezhavas do not have one. Almost 100 % of 'thattaans' are goldsmiths. Almost 100 % of Aasaaris are carpenters. Almost 100 % of veluthedans are dhobis. Almost 100% Of vilakkithalanairs are barbers. Almost 100 % of mukkuvas are fishermen. Only 3.8 % of Ezhavas were toddy-tappers in 1930's. They had ( and have) many kulathozhils like weaving, coir-making, agriculture,trade, medical practice, teaching, astrology etc. So Ezhavas are not a caste. It is a very big family - of one crore members. SNDP yogam is not a communal organisation. It is only a family trust.

Ezhavas were ( are) not a caste. They were a religion. They had their own barbers. Their barbers were their priesst also. They had their own dhobis. They have their own temples. ( Guru gave them Siva, Ganapathi, Subrahmania and Devi and Bhagavathi for worship. He did not give them Vishnu). They have their own pilgrimage sites. Their own marriage customs( prescribed by Guru).

[gopu]

Hi Sugathan sir,

Thanks for the valuable information and a greate post.
95 % of Non-Ezhavas in kerala still belives that the kulathozhil of ezhavas are toddy-tappers.By looking into some people and declared it as the kulathozil of Ezhavas !!!!

Thanks
Gopu

[manu]

I think , why because we are only doing toddy-tapping

[sugathan]

There is no harm in SNDP remaining an Ezhava organisation. Ezhavas joined it en-bloc. The yogam has become part of their life, especially in south kerala. Marriages are fixed by correspondence between the concerned yogam saakhaas. Now it is a very rich organisation. Ezhavas have contributed liberally to it. When they want to keep it to themselves, how can we object? They don't think they are going to gain anything by admitting non-Ezhavas.

There are SN organisations other than SNDPY in which non-Ezhavas are actively participating. Mostly outside Kerala.

Non-Ezhavas respect Narayanaguru even without joining any SN organisation. We respect Christ without joining Christianity.

Guru said : ' Sanghatichu saktharaakuka'. Sanghatana is required only for those who are weak. Ezhavas are not strong and they join SNDPY to gain strength. Those who are already strong do not join it. Why invite them to join?

The case of scheduled caste and scheduled tribe is different. They will benefit by joining SNDPY. They must be invited to join. Guru asked SNDPY to work for th eupliftment of all avarnas. But SNDPY is selfish.

Guru did not like a gap between Ezhavas and other avarnas. In 1916 when Ezhava leaders went to Guru for permission to start a temple in Trichur, Guru said, ' you will go up in status and other avarnas will go down, if you get temples' . Guru wanted Ezhavas to keep other avrnas with them and to see that their status also improves alongwith that of Ezhavas. We are not doing our duty.